I know it's never a good idea to discuss religion or politics, but what a debacle going on in the UK at the moment .... every day seems to bring more chaos on the political front during this season of goodwill
Sorry, only just noticed this subject has been mentioned in another thread
Me! I know snaffle all about politics Moi, we'd be in a bigger mess if I had a hand in anything
I do have my theories though........
I think this has been purposely made extremely difficult for Mrs May, I think MPs from all sides have their own personal and political agendas, and haven't focused on "the will of the people". Remainers have made this nearly impossible, leavers don't believe it's leaving enough and the EU bigwigs are making it as difficult as possible to discourage any other nation daring to think about leaving. Too many politicians have their fingers in too many EU pies and don't want to leave for their own personal reasons. The world is a big place, loads of other countries to trade with and there are enough unemployed people in this country to fill any job vacancies which are not going to be taken by immigrants The Brexit campaigners have been accused of telling lies and the remainers have been scaremongering.
I think this has all been deliberate and engineered by those wanting another referendum! and as for the backstabbers who now want a vote of no confidence...Really!!! at a time like this...snakes!
As I say I know nothing about politics, just an armchair politician like the rest of us
Yes Jax, it's a bloody mess put a purpose made one.
I totally agree that a lot of the politicians who have forced this situation are trying to further their own careers - according to the news tonight, many of them have been boasting about saying they'll support her when they are actually planning to vote against her in the secret ballot - so in my book that makes them liars and cheats! How can you tell a politician is telling lies? When his/her lips are moving!!!!
I think so many of them forget that they are there to serve the people who voted them in, not themselves. I feel that the situation is so complex because we have leavers and remainers in all parties, so whose conniving with who, in order to get what they want! I still think the difficulties in the brexit deal has been made purposely difficult in order for them to now have a vote of no confidence in the government, instigating another election, everyones had enough so Labour get in power, call for another referendum , this time the remainers win because there has been so many problems talked up by leaving, remainers win. Fat cat politicians stay wealthy while they shake hands under the table with the businessmen they have in their pockets in Europe...well done for serving the people who voted you all in.
Bellatrix - absolutely spot on. Regardless of which party you vote for, and whether you wanted in or out, you have to feel for Mrs May - I don't know how she has physically and mentally managed the whole thing - I am exhausted reading about it! She is constantly living out of a suitcase, and from the off has had people back stabbing, and blanking her (remember the EU summit where they all turned their backs - just plain rude!) She deserves a medal for sticking with it and not walking a long time ago I think! I am sure if we accept this deal and just get on with it, we will be fine - we always find a way to pick ourselves up. But if we leave with no deal, I think a lot of major companies will be thinking of pulling out of the country which would be a disaster. Roll on April when (hopefully) we will be out and we can start rebuilding confidence in the UK
This is how I loosely see it, but remember I am not that well informed..
We join the "Common Market" back in the 70's?
Which then kind of morphed into something else, something controlling and detrimental which made British made goods too expensive and we bought cheaper goods from abroad. British industries then went down the pan to some degree. We then found ourselves governed not by our own government but more by the EU. Our Fishermen depleted and the once busy fishing ports turned into grey places with ghost ships. Our farmers suffered, supermarkets rose from the ground with cheap foods from all over the world. More and more people enter the country, more houses needed to accomodate, more of our green and pleasant land turned into housing estates. More stress on the NHS services, more mental health problems.
We are a small Island, sometimes it seems we are at bursting point with the stress put on our services.
People get fed up. the majority vote to leave the EU, the people that lost make it as difficult as possible to leave, the people who won don't think we are "leaving enough" so make the agreement difficult too. Mrs May who was a remainer is trying to please all the people all the time, she can't, she needed to please the majority who voted to leave!
So now, after certain factions have made this whole process as difficult as possible, they can stand back and say what a mess it's in, what a rubbish job, we need another election/referendum.
I feel very sorry for Mrs May but If someone else had been appointed PM after Cameron left, someone who was a Leaver, and had their heart more in it, things may have been easier.
Lots of excellent comments there from our potential new leader! I feel sorry for Mrs May too. How can she possibly please everyone? We were divided when we voted and we are still divided! The EU are using us as an example to other countries who are also possibly wanting to leave. I don’t see how we can have a second referendum as that would make us look silly and weak. If we were to change our minds, the EU could make things even more difficult for us now. They want our money! I think we are one of the top 4 countries in terms of the amount we pay into the EU so they really want us to stay! You’d think nothing ever happens here apart from Brexit! What will the newspapers fill with when it’s over? I can’t think of an EU law that has ever affected me which I’ve not liked. I have relatives who have emigrated to Canada, USA, New Zealand, France and Germany. So there are plenty of people leaving as well as coming into the country!
Agree with that LL. I have relatives who have also emigrated to Austalia, New Zealand and South Africa.
I am not against imigration at all, just feel there hasn't been enough control over the years on the "amounts" of people entering, because we have had to follow EU rules. Larger countries manage better but we are very small, like putting too many people in a rowing boat, getting rather wobbly. We of course take people from all over the world, not just the EU. I'm sure that the appeal of this country may also be down to the welfare state we have here. I have no idea what the answer is, if at all there is one. It's easy to rant on about the problems but someone clever has to come up with the solutions Fingers in pies and hidden agendas blight politics. Anyone remember the series "yes, Prime minister" and Rik Mayalls character Alan B'astard
If anyone wants to talk about consumerism and health I'm guns blazing on that one too!