Moi, personally I am totally fed up with the whole thing. I can't believe the childish behaviour in Parliament. All the bullying and the jeering. I think that our MP's need to vote and honour the decision that their constituents made when casting their votes. There have been numerous demands , from MP's for another referendum. Is this going to happen every time our decision is not what politicians want? I am old enough to have been around before we joined the 'common market'. President De Gaulle, kept saying 'non '. I feel that the EEC just wants our financial contribution. We just need to wait and see.
Never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly.
Well, where do we go now? The Brexit deal has been rejected, are we in for a 'no deal' situation? Moi, how are you viewing this as an American, do your colleagues see Great Britain as farcical? Anyone else have any wise words?
Can't say how people back home see this, am out here in the Pacific. From what I can tell people back home are too caught up in all the messes created by Cheeto to pay attention to things overseas which most people don't do anyway
One of the UK diplomats who comes into the hotel we work out of says what you are saying . I wonder if people in the UK if not the western world know what they want anymore , look at France and my own country
Good luck dealing with the confusion and what must be media overkill on this matter .
Post by Lancashire Lass on Jan 16, 2019 8:31:12 GMT
Our politics have been dominated by Brexit for 2 and a half years now. We are all fed up with it! There are just too many groups of people wanting different things. In my opinion the Brexit deal should have been sorted by a cross party group not just by the Conservatives. A second referendum will sort nothing if the result is the same. The EU do not want a No Deal Brexit - they will not get the £billions agreed. I can’t see that happening.
I agree with LL. I don't think the present deal which has been rejected was very good but a cross-party group could have found a solution. I agree about the referendum because polls suggest the country is split in half again. There is no consensus in the country. Even some Remainers are sick of the intransigence of the EU and some people who voted leave now want to remain because they thought they were deceived by the Leave politicians. Parliament seems to be shambolic and Corbyn is just waiting to start a no-confidence vote to force a general election. The media seem to be covering the same things with the same people and dramatising the situation. There have been interesting discussions with firms to see how they are coping with the uncertainty.
I am putting my head above the parapet here - so please don't shoot me - but I think Mrs May ... who has described herself as a difficult woman ... is not someone who consults other people, she has strong ideas of how she wants things to go and expects everyone else to fall in behind her, which clearly a majority of her own MPs refused to do last night. I agree completely that a cross-party group should have been working on this to find a solution which was most palatable to most people (you're never going to be able to please everyone). I think she may survive the vote of confidence tonight, I also think Labour haven't been up-front about what they'd do about Brexit if there was an election imminently - their conference last Autumn agreed they'd go ahead with Brexit if they got into power, but would they change their mind if they thought it would attract more votes? I find it hard to believe that at this stage the EU are going to give much away, despite all this talk about going back and demanding what we want (do we even know what we want?!). They don't want us to leave so why on earth would they try to make it easy - didn't we realise that all along . Challenging days!
I may be wrong, but I didn't think the EU had to make any deals at all with us (although it is in their best interests of course), we could have just left the tea party, sorted out the Irish problem internally , then start making deals with EU afterwards. Yes, it would be chaotic at first, but calm also follows every storm and to be honest we've had chaos for 2.5 years anyway.
There has been a lot of deliberate interfering to make the government look shambolic, simply to get to this point of calling for no confidence, general election, another referendum. Even though the country would probably vote again to leave. Then it would be Corbyns mess to deal with.
MPs have been agenda driven and childish and have forgotten that they are supposed to be carrying out the peoples will. There are many other countries to have trade deals with, not just the suffocating EU.
There is a lot to be said for being part of a group, and the support and friendship that is gained from this.
I agree with what you said about PM May Jax. I think neither of the leaders of the two main parties are trustworthy or acting in the best interests of the people. Mrs May is now including members of other parties in her discussions. From the debate last night there were clearly excellent people on both sides of the house who have useful contributions to make. Corbyn is again playing politics and this may rebound on him in the future. I don't trust Trump to give us a fair deal on trade. He has already said he thinks the NHS have exercised power over the US pharmaeceutical companies and wants the NHS to pay more for its drugs. US citizens pay more for their drugs than many other countries due to the power of their pharmaceutical companies. He is also trying to get us to accept lower agricultural standards in our trade deals with US farmers.
Whatever the result is, I really don't relish closer links with Donald Trump. I think their policy on farming is atrocious. We have farmers that have been paid to plough excess produce back into the ground. Fishermen who have to throw edible fish back into the sea. Why? Because we have exceeded EU quotas! Our farmers rear cows, sheep and pigs. We grow root crops, tomatoes, apples etc etc. Time to support our own for a change.
Never drive faster than your guardian angel can fly.
I have never been happy with the EU agriculture and fisheries policy. Our fishing industry was decimated by the EU fishing policy. I would dearly love to get rid of the EU's interference in agriculture and fishing.